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Suboxone Treatment and Detox - Withdrawal, Abuse and Addiction

Suboxone Treatment and Detox - Withdrawal, Abuse and Addiction drug rehabilitation and alcohol rehabilitation

Drug dependence is a universal public health problem of which opioid dependence, notably involving heroin and morphine are a major component. In Europe alone, there are an estimated 1.1 million intravenous drug users and the number is estimated to be at least 3 times that many in North America. The majority of these individuals remain untreated.


Opioid dependence is a chronic relapsing medical condition that requires long-term treatment and patient support. In addition, many of these intravenous drug users share syringes and needles, a practice that can lead to the transmission of serious blood-borne infections including human immunodeficiency virus (HIV), hepatitis B and hepatitis C.


Currently opiate dependence treatments like methadone can be dispensed only in a few centers that focus in addiction treatment. There are not enough addiction treatment clinics to assist all patients seeking treatment. Suboxone is the first narcotic drug available under the Drug Abuse Treatment Act (DATA) of 2000 for the treatment of opiate dependence that can be prescribed by a physician. Hopefully, this advance in therapeutics will provide more patients the opportunity to access treatment.


Suboxone (buprenorphine with naloxone) is currently available for the maintenance treatment of opioid addiction. The intention of adding naloxone to the formulation is to deter intravenous misuse and reduce the symptoms of opiate dependence. Suboxone treatment is intended for use in adults and adolescents more than 16 years of age who have agreed to be treated for addiction.


Once detoxification is completed, Suboxone is used during the maintenance phase of treatment. Suboxone has recently become the drug of choice instead of methadone in the treatment of opiate addiction. Suboxone use is less rigidly controlled than methadone because it has a lower potential for abuse and is less dangerous in an overdose. As patients progress on therapy, the physician may write a prescription for a take-home supply of the medication.


Suboxone Prescription

Only those physicians who have approval from the Drug Enforcement Agency (DEA) are able to start in-office treatment and provide prescriptions for ongoing medication. The Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT) maintains an active database to help patients locate qualified doctors.


Route of Administration

Suboxone is available as a tablet which is always administered sublingually. The pill is placed underneath the tongue until it is fully dissolved. Swallowing or sucking on the pill does not offer any therapeutic benefit. When placed underneath the tongue, the pill dissolves and is absorbed in 10 -20 minutes.


Suboxone treatment is generally done under medical supervision. During the induction phase, one is taught how to properly take the medications and dose adjustments are also done during this phase. One is usually started on the smallest dose until the best therapeutic effect is obtained. Once the ideal dose is obtained, the individual is seen once in a while and prescriptions can generally be available from the same physician.


Suboxone is available as 2 and 8 mg tablets. Most anecdotal reports indicate that the response to the 2 mg dose is suboptimal. The majority of individuals report benefit at higher doses of 8-16 mg. The aim of the maintenance treatment is to rid the drug craving and decrease the anxiety. The dose is usually adjusted until the drug craving features are diminished. Since Buprenorphine is a Schedule III drug, the physician is only allowed to prescribe 5 refills in 6 months.


Maintenance Therapy

Although Suboxone can be used for detoxification, its intended use is for maintenance. The ideal candidate for maintenance therapy with Suboxone is an older individual who has previously been on drugs but now has a job and wants a stable lifestyle. The individual previously has failed detoxification and wants to live a simple life without the daily cravings of his previous addiction. The majority of past drug users immediately adjust to Suboxone as the cravings disappear immediately and a smoother life style are accessible.


Suboxone Control

Because of the great potential for abuse, the FDA works closely with the drug manufacturer, Reckitt-Benckiser, and other agencies to develop an in-depth risk-management plan. The FDA receives quarterly reports from the manufacturer and pharmacies and maintains a comprehensive surveillance program. This monitoring allows for early detection of abuse of the drug. The major components of the risk-management program are preventive measures and surveillance. Preventive measures instituted include drug education, tailored distribution, Schedule III control under the Controlled Substances Act (CSA), child resistant packaging and supervised dose induction. The program regularly monitors local pharmacies and web sites. Numerous other agencies also monitor the abuse of Suboxone and these include:

  1. Drug Abuse Warning Network (DAWN). This agency run by the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) gathers data from emergency rooms related to the illicit use of drugs or non-medical use of a legal drug.

  2. Community Epidemiology Working Group (CEWG). This agency monitors the use of buprenorphine.

  3. National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA). NIDA frequently sends newsletters to physicians about the addictive drugs and to report it if necessary.
 

Side Effects

The most common reported side effect of Suboxone includes:

  • Cold or flu-like symptoms
  • Headaches
  • Sweating
  • Insomnia
  • Nausea
  • Mood swings
  • Pain
  • Restlessness


Like other opioids, Suboxone have been associated with respiratory depression (difficulty breathing) especially when combined with other depressants.


Cautions

Intravenous use of Suboxone usually in combination with benzodiazepines or other CNS depressants has been associated with significant respiratory depression and death. Suboxone has the potential for abuse and produces dependence of the opioid type with a milder withdrawal syndrome than full agonists. There are no adequate and well-controlled studies of Suboxone use in pregnancy. Due caution should be exercised when driving cars or operating machinery.



References
1. Huang P. et al. (2001): "Comparison of pharmacological activities of buprenorphine and norbuprenorphine: norbuprenorphine is a potent opioid agonist", J. Pharmacol. Exp. Ther. 297(2):688-95.
2. Joint Formulary Committee. British National Formulary, 47th edition. London: British Medical Association and Royal Pharmaceutical Society of Great Britain; 2004.
3. Rossi S, editor. Australian Medicines Handbook 2005. Adelaide: Australian Medicines Handbook; 2005.
4. G Fischer, P Etzersdorfer, H Eder, R Jagsch, M Langer, M Weninger (1998). Buprenorphine Maintenance in Pregnant Opioid Addicts. European Addiction Research;4 (Suppl 1):32-36

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Topic Discussion

  1. Addict

    i have been on suboxone for 6 months of so and i do find it has help me with my cravings and need to be on pain pills but........trying to detox off it is a horse by a different color....you get the same effects of kicking as you would of smack or hard drugs.....i have tried to find a place that would take me off it cause it sure isn't easy to do so on your on.....so in a nutshell you are trading one addiction for another....is there any help for someone like me???

    • Addict

      What happened with your doctor? Why hasen't he/she helped you get off the suboxine if that"s what you want?

    • Addict

      you are totally misrepresenting suboxone in many ways. when an opiate addict abuses opiates for a long period of time it damages receptercites in ones brain that produces a chemical called serotonin, serotonin is a chemical our bodies produce naturally to keep us happy or confident and up beat so sot speak, when one stops abusing opiates the damage is done and the correct amount of serotonin is not making its way into the brain, so there for suboxone is prescribed to replace that serotonin to wipe out cravings and to get the addicts mind set away from the daily constant thoughts of using. suboxone is intended to be taken as part of a recovery program, one should attend 12 step meetings and an out patient clinic as well, it is not replacing an addiction with another addiction it is allowing the addict time to be able to get through life on a daily basis without the constant pressure of cravings. if your not attending 12 step meetings and an out patient clinic than suboxone wont work by itself, its not just a miracle drug, the addict still has to put the work in to recover daily. any questions or comments email me at braddunlap2011@yahoo.com i am a recovering addict and i have been on suboxone for almost four years now and i have gotten my life back.

      • Addict

        Hello! I have been addicted to Oxycotin for a few years. I was in a methadone clinic for 8 years. I got on Suboxone and it was so much better! I got myself in some legal trouble while I was still on the Methadone. I went to prison for my OWI's, currently on home detention. I have been clean for 19months and I crave! Everyday I am in pain not only physically but emotionally I am not myself anymore. I have tried Paxil and currently on Zoloft! It don't work. I don't want to relapse! I am a single mom and just want a good life for myself and my son! I go to meetings, I work the steps-now what? I have been thinking about getting on a low dose of suboxone to maintain my sobriety and stop taking anti-depressants, which seem to be making matters worse! My son needs me and all I want to do is sit when I get home! I'm sad! What should I do? Please email me with your thoughts! Would be greatly appreciated! b.silverthorn@yahoo.com

        • Addict

          when it comes to opiates i've been through it all. If you have been clean for 19 months and you still have withdrawal symptoms then suboxone wouldn't be a bad idea. I've completely turned my life around with it. antidepressants wont help you. It has to be tough going through this with such a demanding daily responsibility such as being a single mother. I'm a single father so i can relate. i wish you nothing but the best. if you have any questions or just want to talk my email is dathanluth@yahoo.com.

        • Addict

          Hello i know how you are feeling i was on methadone foe 8 years i was on 180mgs a month. It is the worst to come off of now i am trying suboxone i am only taking 1 Tablet a day. I am still very depressed you have to talk to someone everyday day i still crave pills i was in an inpatient rehab program and it still didn't help i think that you have to talk to someone when you are having those cravings i don't have any legal problems right now but if i keep on doing drugs i will i just talk i think once you have those cravings you always will its in your head. if you need to talk call me i will give you my number you have to get up and keep yourself busy with your son i know i have 3 girls and i keep myself busy with them and it keeps my mind of drugs.

          • Addict

            I tried to get into two detox facilities and they had no beds because of no insurance. I am so depressed and my kids need me. DCF took my daughter so all I do is lye in bed and cry. I know I can do this I've done it before with crack 20 years ago. But these damn pain pills. God help us all. Please write me back. I need to talk

        • Addict

          I was on methadone for 10 years myself.I was forced off the clinic due to charging. It took me a year and a half before I felt somewhat normal.I was debating suicide because the pain physically and mentally was overbearing.My wife is the only thing that stopped me. Unfortunately there is no easy way to get off the stuff. That was 5 years ago and thank god I stuck it out, I have a new baby and a great career.Even though things are better than I ever could have imagined, I still want the shit. The trick is to stay away. That means old people, places, and things. You are better off believe me, I'm a survivor too. No matter how bad things get, remember the grass IS greener on the other side.You must keep hope.I wish you luck

        • Addict

          hello!!!!!how r u doing my name is Nichole i am on roxys and i am a single mother and i just want to say u have to talk about it and u have to stay with your plan like keep taking them suboxone I'm trying now to get help because i have a son and its hard getting up in the morning and trying to go to school....then i have to come home to my son but i hope u the best of the luck girl and your son is your life so don't change for u but for your son too because he needs his mother all kids need there mother well if u would like to talk i can give u my number but u can email me OK hear is my email OK babyblue_nikki93@yahoo.com

        • Addict

          Hi, I found this thread when I was trying to find a way to get suboxone. I currently have been on oxy/roxys for almost a year now. I have a daughter who needs me as well as my job and currently in school. When I started it was for fun but I started dating a guy who has been on oxy/roxys for years. We quit once with the help of suboxone but we only took it when we were sick and slowly stopped it helped pretty well I didn't have horrible withdrawals from it. He said he still was in pain but not horribly he could still function and go to work and be happy he has come a far way but one day I was upset and we relapsed and it has gotten worse we didn't have anything but knew someone who could smoke heroin with us and we did which is not me or him. We gaged and said we would never again but we said we never would I'm in serious need of help and have no idea what to do I cannot find suboxone. and I'm in fear of any one finding out I don't want to lose my daughter my job or fail school. Any one please help!!!!

          Corrine5591@gmail.com

      • Addict

        LISTEN UP PEOPLE!!! STAY AWAY FROM SUBOXONE!! Everyone on here thinks that it is such a great drug because they are either on it or some other narcotic. Now 3 months clean of suboxone, and yes with help from "professionals" getting on and off the drug, AM STILL GOING THROUGH WITHDRAWAL!!! Came across this thread while looking for posts to help with the insomnia, still!!!! Everyday day is different, some days feel like day 2 of the process and others a "bit" better but still the worst pain I've endured.. THIS DRUG IS THE DEVIL!!!!! People who are still on the drug have no idea what they are talking about. Yes, it makes you FEEL normal while you are on it but your body is anything but!!! Talk to me when you are clean from the drug and we can have a REAL discussion about it!!!!!!!!

        • Addict

          I hear exactly where you are coming from.....I was on a low dose of subs for pain management for 4 months...I have been off for 1 month now and am a psychological mess on some days and better on others....I didn't know how long it would go on when I decided to jump. I feel like I'm caught in pickle between returning to sub therapy or finding a way to manage this daily nightmare....I finally started work when I began treatment and now feel I may lose my job in addition to my mind......feeling trapped....

          • Addict

            Hi,

            I have a 20 year old son and he has been snorting perks 30 for about a year and now he has quit cold turkey. He went through the skin crawling, chills body, aches now it has been a month and he still has stomach pain and even sometimes vomits at night. I don't know if this is normal but if any one has any info to help us that would be nice. I cannot believe what this does to u. He is currently in another state with family instead of rehab. Getting better just wish I knew how long it is going to take. Thanks and prays are with you all.

          • Addict

            Suboxone is nothing more than a replacement for your DOC. It robs you of your feelings, sex life and general well being plus getting off of it is the hardest hell you will ever experience. Please just detox off whatever it is you are taking and stay away from subs.

        • Addict

          Yes I agree.....I want off so bad I only take less than half of a half a day and it makes me so tired, I don't know who to call for help my doctor probably won't see me anymore because I didn't go to my appt. and he wanted me taking 8mg a day I don't see how that's done. I've been so depressed on it, I felt ok for awhile then it got worse. The depression and lack of energy is the worse...if I knew it was stronger than morphine on the brain I wouldn't have taken it, I only took tabs n percs, now this..

        • Addict

          With all due respect.....the DEVIL is in the details. I was committing a FELONY DAILY to obtain opiates via fraud thru scripts. for ten years. in and out of jail, in and out of rehabs....sure I had a few years clean, but as soon as I had so much as a tooth ache, I was writing scripts again. I have TEN felony counts for OCSbyF. Suboxone DID save my life.....and my kids. I had a BABY while taking suboxone. She HAD NOT ONE hint of withdrawals when she was born. In fact, I was on of the First case studies to go thru an entire pregnancy on SUBS. IN FACT, I had a C-SECTION ...if you are a woman and mom you KNOW how PAINFUL THAT IS.......and guess what? I didn't need any demerol or dilaudid or even hydros or percs. I was also treated with DIGNITY .....much different than previous childbirths on METHADONE, I have been on it for 5 years. I respect your opinion....but every case is different. Please keep an open mind rather than call this drug a DEVIL anyone who chooses to STAY on subs rather than get high again already knows the bitch of withdrawal. circumstances differ for everyone.

        • Addict

          Hi, please let me know what you have done to get off the Suboxone. I do not know what to do anymore as my son is addicted to it.

          • Addict

            Leave him bible verses and lead him to Christ and the good news of the Lord, you will be amazed how the truth of God and His word will change your life and bring you out of a ditch. The word of God is our True hope in this dark world. God says He is a lamp to our feet and a light to our path. .. your son will be just fine. Pray for him as I am,the Lord listens to all who call on him, he says he knows what we need before we ask but he requires that we ask. A lot of this reasoning dates back to the Garden of Eden but do not fear for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go he says in his scriptures quote unquote,stay steadfast in your faith the creator and master of all promises face will truly save that, faith alone in Christ the King as Lord and Savior your personal Lord and Savior! Remind your son of these things and not much can go wrong, nothing in this world will rattle you when you stand firm in the Word of God and His promises of love hope and mercy, praise and glory be and I declare the best for you and your loved ones

    • Addict

      I wish I had better news but...going from 1400 mg morphine/day to 1 mg suboxone was a do-able process; going from 1 mg suboxone to nothing had lead to hell for 2 months and just getting worse no matter what I do. Its a process - a life of distraction; when the waves of horror show up, find something to do that makes you happy. and pray to God that you will make it through this - there has to be an end back to some kind of normal. Nothing but the best to you.

  2. Addict

    I was on suboxone for about 7 months and it changed my life. I have been addicted to painkillers for 6 years and it was a nightmare untill I found a doctor who could subcribe suboxone. However I could no longer afford it and so I had to revert to my junkie ways. Its a shame because my life was finally back on track. Now all i can do is search on the street for anything i can find. It is a misarable life. My prayer is that they will make it affordable so people like me don't end up ruining there lives because we are not rich. Thank you for your time

    • Addict

      Get yourself into a Methadone Clinic. Depending on where you live, Methadone Clinics sometimes carry Suboxone. Methadone is also a cheep alternitive to opiate use. Plus Methadone is a legal prescription. When detoxing of opiates it is also best to seek substance abuse counseling. Buying drugs off the streets creates a whole different life style for the individual user. You have to change the things in your life that cause you to use drugs (not just withdrawals) like exterior stressors, stability, triggers ect... Substance abuse counselors are helpful with development of coping skills and relapse prevention techniques. So remember Methadone is a alternitive to Suboxone, both are legal and both offer a means to an end. Thanks and good luck. Mike in Ocala Florida

    • Addict

      Help me understand. You were doing great while you were on suboxine but, now that you are off it ,you feel you had to revert to your old ways? Isn't that the whole point of the suboxine. To show you that you don't have to live life as an addict. So, what happened when you stopped taking the suboxine that sent you back to the darker side?

    • Addict

      I know how you feel when it comes to not being able to afford it. I take Hydrocodone for my severe back pain and fibromyalgia and i don't feel like my life will ever be normal again. I hate the fact that i can't see my doctor since i keep losing jobs cuz of my back and i have no health insurance. I am now homeless cuz i couldn't afford my rent. i am still waiting for them to decide that i have enough of a disability to get SSI or disability. I am suffering from severe depression here in this lowly state of Texas.

    • Addict

      I don't know where you live, but as someone else stated, there are methadone clinics that can treat you with suboxone. I know of one in Brooklyn NY, but as I said I don't know where you live. If not, there are a number of doctors that can prescribe it as well. You have a computer. Do some research and good luck. Whatever you do, do not start taking methadone. VERY difficult to detox from. I know all about that. It almost killed me and that is the truth. Suboxone is easier to detox from. The trick is to do it very slowly. As with any drug, there is going to be withdrawal symptoms, but the key is to have a good doc that can help with that and perhaps prescribe sleeping meds, or whatever else is needed. Again, good luck. You can definitely do it. Do not despair. Just do what you gotta do and stop procrastinating.

      • Addict

        Hi I read your post and I also live in Brooklyn N.Y. , I'm currently in a methadone program and am on 20mg
        I want to switch to suboxone {i've been on methadone for about 8 years so far) could you please tell me of the methadone program in Brooklyn that can also treat with suboxone.
        Thank you for any help you can provide.
        Sincerely, Richard

    • Addict

      there is a program for free suboxone. all licensed professionals have that help line. it's baffling to hear people say it costs a lot....i'll give you that but i spent a hell of a lot more on drugs!!! at least i'm sober and living a healthy life thanks to the grace of my higher power and my support group. i would pay ANYTHING to keep me away from that junkie life.....

      • Addict

        I am starting this program in the morning, and like you I'm wondering why they cant afford the treatment anymore. Doing what ya were before cost a boat load more than going to the clinic and seeing the doctors right?

      • Addict

        Where are the free clinics???

      • Addict

        8 mg. a day is about $600 a month I belive,some people must be maintained at 8-16 mg. so it can get expensive also some folks who had seriously heavy habit and intravenous users, suboxone sometimes doesn't relieve their w/d symptoms and must be on methadone also I think it is now available in generic form and might be very affordable? I was on 2mg. for 4 yrs. or so and weaned down to an 1/8 of a tablet and was in w/d for 3 yrs. of hell I was feeling lousy all the time mini w/d and from time to time insomnia which no med. would even dent, periods of severe depression and bedridden couldn't even watch TV or read, none of the so called experts who prescribe knew anything about w/d or could help eliminate my time in hell and sad to say even cared, between my family m.d.,pscyh.,and a licensed drug and alcohol therapist they didn't have a clue and I realized they look down on addicts and tend to broom you out rather than seeking to find a way to help and I'm a 60 yr. old man with 4 yrs. of drug addiction starting with pain meds from a knee operation and 4 yrs. of suboxone and 3 yrs. of w/d , good luck to all who are suffering and talk to whoever subscribes w/d meds to get some answers!

    • Addict

      Hey hope this will help, suboxone sucks too but it's better than the harder kind of dope.....I recently signed up for the Obamacare Coventry Health Insurance, regardless of your political feelings on this, it lowered my suboxone costs from 450$ down to 65$ for 90 a month. I don't take 90 a month, but as far as my doctor is concerned I do, which alleviates the anxiety of worrying what to do if I can't afford the cash payment for my doctor one month (the insurance doesn't cover the doctor visits). I'm only taking 1 to 1 1/2 a day and I generally stockpile 45 a month for rainy day purposes. I kicked suboxone 2 years ago cold turkey and it was hard, no lie. but it's easier than methadone (although more drawn out than dope) regardless of what a 12 steppers gospel is, you have to do what works for you, smoking pot helped me with the post-acute, although I made sure to smoke in moderation. That way when the fatigue and anxiety kicked in bad, I could change my mood relatively safely. SSRI's at least for me, caused more problems than they corrected. Never chip dope or pills for relief though, as this just teases your opiate receptors and can reset your addiction. Besides the pot just eat healthy, be as active physically as humanly possible, and KEEP reminding yourself that you feel terrible cause you were filling yourself with poison for years....and regaining a normal homeostasis will take time. I know a host of people will argue that complete abstinence is (12 steppers) the only way, but at the end of the day you only have to answer to yourself, and who are they to draw the line with what drugs are safe and which ones aren't? Smoking cigarettes, drinking mad coffee and being on god knows how many anti-depressants seems like a terrible way to break up the day in my opinion. Don't be hard on yourself because the daily grind life isn't all of a sudden easy like it was before you started using, because you can't reset the clock, rather try to put into perspective the reasons you started using narcotics in the first place, and work at realigning your values so there's no conflict between actions and your values. If there is, at least in my case, it can lead to the same kind of hopeless feelings that cause you to not care anymore, some people find their redemption in helping other addicts for instance, or in my case, I've learned to start chasing the dreams I once had. You got to take your life back, it isn't just going to come on its own, which I believe is a widely held misconception among recovering users before they relapse.....it's why I relapsed last time. It's a big world with tons of cool shit to do.....what's holding you back?.......that's what you have to fix.

  3. Addict

    Linda Please read. He states "he could no longer afford it". I know exactly how he feels. It is really bad if you don't have insurance. Craig I wish you the best. Stay safe. Keep trying.

  4. Addict

    I am only on 4mg methadone and having a time getting off that little bit and thinking of trying suboxone, does any one think that is a good ideal?

    • Addict

      You better wait til that methadone is out of your bones. You will servery regret dosing on suboxone with a trace of methadone in your system. Instant withdrawal happens.. It's instant and something verse. Christmas day of 08. My ex and I took a quarter of a 8mg sub bc we didn't feel like driving to the clinic to dose on methadone that day. He was on 155 and I was on 75mg. We each took a quarter piece. He shoot dope for 10 years. Traveled all over the state to get the best of the best drugs. I'll never forget that morning. I snorted mine, he ate his. Five minutes it took for mine to react, 45 for him. With $14.00 in our pocket on Christmas day we had to get well. Thank God for small favors. It took 2 Oxy 80mgs to get us from not fixating on ourselves. Try to search phenobarbital. It's a very relaxing and comfortable way to kick the methadone. If you can make it happen stay on about 3 to 5 milligrams of that for 3 months.. Give the methadone time to eject out of your body.. From there you hold destiny in your own hands. Good Luck!!!

  5. Addict

    I have been on both Methadone and suboxone,and have withdrawn from methadone 60-80 mg/day, cold turkey. One word HELL! In my opinion Methadone is much worse than suboxone, suboxone being a better alternative in conjuction with a Good Doctor/Treatment center and a recovery program such as AA, NA, and Celbrate Recovery. As long as any of us look Only to the outside( a pill for a pill whether methadone or suboxone) for healing, we will inevitably be just a leaf in the wind, miserable, discontent, hopeless. Daily sobriety, healing, abstinence, whatever term you want to use, For Me, was only possible when I went to treatment/alcoholics anonymous. Taking the drugs was only a symptom of an inner void/struggle, an inability to live life on lifes terms. Without changing the way I feel and deel on the inside, my "outside" , my life, will also never change. And I work on it daily, one day at a time. By the grace of God, I have been clean and sober since Jan.23 2009. There are NO Magic Pills. Find a support group. There are AA, NA, and Celebrate Recovery groups in every state, city , and town. If you dont believe in God or dont believe in AA or have tried both and are still stuck, I Encourage You, Just TRY again. I understand. I am not the same person I was on Jan. 23 2009. . Things will get better. Patient , Persistent daily Progress. The hopelessness, despair,and fear can be exchanged with hope, peace, confidence. It is a Journey. What do you have to lose?? You can Always go Right back to Right where you are Right now! Get connected with a support group,church, AA, NA, or treatment facility and take it ONE Day at A Time. Courage doesnt always Roar! Sometimes it just the quiet voice at the end of the day saying " I will try again tomorrow....."I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, to front only the essential facts of life, and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and not, when I came to Die, discover that I had not Lived." Henry David Thoreau .........My wish for you all is Life.
    Godbless

  6. Addict

    I have heard that Suboxone was very expensive. I was on Methadone for 3 years in the late 90's, but there are longer clinics within a couple hundred miles. I need help now, but I've been wondering how expensive Suboxone is. Is there anyone that could give me some information on just how much this stuff is. I live in Ardmore, Oklahoma. If their are any Okies out there that are on a program could you please at least give me a ballpark on a monthly prescription cost. I do have prescription insurance--will insurance pay any on this drug.

    Thank you,

    • Addict

      rx in La. with insurance( which do differ) about 50.00 for 14 8mg/2mg pills.

      • Addict

        In Alabama it's $204 for 30 8mg/2mg tablets. My husband has been on it 2 years and it's been a life/marriage saving drug. When he first started out it was at a much higher dose and it was $600 a month. We bought it week by week. Since he has real pain, he will most likely never be off it totally.

    • Addict

      my suboxone cost $447.00 for 60 pills, thank GOD I have insurance. Thanks

    • Addict

      Fellow Okie, well live in Arizona now was on suboxone it is about seven dollars a pill my blue cross and shield did not cover it...

  7. Addict

    How exactly do you take them, Suboxine? My things heroine. Im starting my suboxine tomorrow.. Do i take half 8mg for 2 days then a quarter for 2 days then off.. I dont want to be on them long. I was thinkin just taking them to get threw the kick of heroine which for me is 4 or 5 days.. Any advice...

  8. Addict

    I know there no easy way to detox, but if you have any advice I would love to here back. I am at home because I left them once years ago and won't do it again. I have a large support group and a wonderful husband who is at my hands and feet. I just want to know what the best way to fight it (which I know will be a battle and I know it s not easy) I just know other people have been on this path and might have some way to make it & I do know NA works. So I ask for anyone's help who would like to and thank you for reading & hearing my help. Thank you Niocle

  9. Addict

    I am also worried about the cost of suboxon. I do not have insurance, anyone out there know how much it's going to cost me? (just a ball park figure would be very helpful) thanks

    • Addict

      Hi, I live in Ohio, here they are $7.50 a piece, and I almost lost my mind when he said that. I have a severe back injury from work, worker's comp. won't pay for them, and I have no insurance, no money. He prescribed 70 pills; add that up $525.00, I used all my savings. So then I had to go off them. Believe I think I would really like to die before I ever do that again. There is nothing that compares to what you go thru. I live alone I have no one to help me. I'm still struggling with them, I know someone who gets 90 a month, so I have to buy enough to get me thru the month. This is the worst drug ever and the Drs. are making millions.

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    I am trying to quite brown so my phsyciatrist suggested suboxone, but I've also heard it's really expensive and to top it off I don't have health insurance. Does anyone out there how much this is going to cost me? I really need to do this to save my relationship with my family and ultimately my life. (I live in SA tx if anyone here has any advice) kirkner.sj@gmail.com))

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    HOW DO I FIND A DR TO HELP ME GET OF THE CRAP IM ON AND GET ON SUBOXON? IM IN SPOKANE WASHINGTON. PLEASE HELP

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    I am a full time working single Mom - I have a beautiful child; unfortunately, i have been addicted to pain pills for a very long time - i have tried quitting numerous times - but i have to work & take care of my child - the detox prevents me from doing these things; I am stuck. I went to the Dr. today - finally exposed my "secret" - she told me "maybe suboxone..." - I have to make calls in the morning. I am praying & praying for strength & guidance. I want to be strong & healthy again....not crippled by this disgusting dependency on pills every day & night. I don't know how to end this cycle...it is never ending & it has been slowly killing my spirit, as well as damaging my health & well-being. I'll say a prayer for all of you out there struggling with addiction as well. xo

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      This caught my eye and had to tell you.I am a single dad and have been for a long time.I have several injuries back legs,surgery to ankle,(I also have what is called charcot marie tooth disease (mild in comparison to the severe but never the less enough to have some of the problems that caused pain before the injuries.)I'm very active,thus the severe injuries.I started taking norco in 2006(as many drugs as I have used in my past I never even thought of a pain pill as something to worry about. 06,07,08,09 I used twelve a day,I felt great,energy,lost weight felt that I found something that kills the pain and make me feel good(I was aware the acetaminophen) was bad for my liver so I kept it at that.I found the last six or seven months of 2010...I averaged 28 a day.For the first time since starting them I realized when I tried to go back to twelve I was sick as hell,to say the least...I started searching online like you,found a psychiatrist that is very knowledgeable about subuxone,that was two weeks ago tomorrow.Their has been some major ups and downs with mood,energy,mixed emotions.And to go along with(anytime you try and do something good)everything has went wrong.I got on here tonight because I was thinking was I that bad,could I have just cut down...when I know there was no way.The miracle is that through all that I haven't went back,It looks like you started right after,how is yours going?

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      Dee hold it down!! I am a 22 yr old male and know a person who is in a similar position as you... Just keep the faith and will power at an all time max. Recovery if for those who want it! Do not give up Dee, you can do this!!

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      Dee, I think we have the same exact story. I also am a single mother of 3 and I've had my habit for years. I am ready to go see a doctor, but the 1 thing holding me back is... I want to know how confidential it is? I don't want my children involved and when I'm finished with college, will my mistakes stop me from becoming a RN?

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    I have been on suboxone for about 6 months now and it has really changed my life. I don't have to hurt anymore. It is expensive but worth it and most pharmacies will let u break it into partial scripts. I pay seven dollars a pill, which is way cheaper than what i spent on the streets. There is still a withdrawal, but nothing like methadone or painkillers. If you are serious about getting your life together, this is a great way to do that.

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    my husband has been on it for a year, he was addicted to major pain killers for 10 years. his dose is (3) 8mg tablets a day however he abuses it and takes 10 or so a day. I am at my end , I am leaving him. Suboxone is worse than pain killers. it has ruined our life together. I can't deal with this anymore. I suggest anyone and everyone to stay away from this drug

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      I don't know how he thinks taking 10 a day will do anything. there is a ceiling effect on subs. hes wasting his time and money. thought I'd let u know.

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      Chasing the Suboxone dragon will start after one and a half to two days after the first dose. Most idiot doctors that CAN prescribe it, don't know all that much about it. Large reputable advanced pain management outfits know much more about Suboxone then your small local Psychiatrist treatment stores. Like most of you on here, I've been a pill junkie for 40 yrs. In regard to your husbands 10 - 8mg. subs a day, he'd feel the same effect on 1, 8 mg. pill a day, which is pretty much nothing. No buzz (which he still wants obviously). He better go back to the Methadone clinic quick, maybe saving his life but not necessarily your marriage. If your going to take the suboxone route IMO, you better make sure you have a doctor that will prescribe it to you the rest of your life. The only doctors that will do this are the advanced pain management places for legitimate pain issues. I'd suggest a 12 step or similar program with it. The buzz stops here with suboxone but it gets you out of bed and off to work. I've been on it for years and take 2mg. a day. I quit it cold turkey a couple of years ago thinking it wasn't not doing ANYTHING because you feel no 'high' from it. That was my worst withdrawal yet. I'd bet my life on it. 2 1/2 months of extreme eternal sickness. worse than heroin, oxys, roxys. and methadone, hands down, (FOR ME). Subs are the answer to opiate addiction but ONLY if you can be prescribed them for the rest of your life and there's no guarantee of that of course. I sometimes think of waiting for the suboxone withdrawal to start so I can can go out and buy a hand full of Roxy's or Oxy's so I could get blitzed again. Thank God for Suboxone......

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      Holy Smokes! 10 - 8mg subs a day? That is a flat out STUPID thing to do. I started on it almost a year ago (long story...started with back pain and prescribed percs and the dose kept getting higher and higher to achieve the same effect. Eventually, I was sick of being a slave to pills and would rather just deal with my back pain again). Anyway, a LOT of docs out there shouldn't be prescribing this stuff as they don't seem to know much about it. This "knucklehead" started me out at 3 & 1/2 - 8mg subs a day. Wish I knew more about the drug at the time because I could have probably started at 2mg a day and been off of it by now. I'm prescribed 2 - 8mg a day but got myself down to 6 to 8mg a day so far on my own. The thing is, I feel WAY BETTER at that dose than I did at 24-28mg. If you're still with your husband, tell him to get his ass on the net and do some research before he does some serious damage to himself. I can't even imagine why he would take that much. Like I was saying, I take 6mg on most days now and if I take like 16mg or so, I feel WORSE. Tell your husband to search some opiate related forums. Type in something like "suboxone, less equals more" on google. It sounds crazy, but it's true. As I got down to lower doses, I would actually even catch a small buzz some mornings when I took it. If I take extra, I get all clammy, sweaty, headaches, etc... Seriously, WOW! 10 a day? I wouldn't even attempt that as I would probably get the absolute worst headache of my life and feel like total crap. Please have him look into this. 1-2mg a day is PLENTY for maintenance (once you ween down to that level) and many people report feeling a very nice opiate-like "glow" at those doses. I can't wait to get there. That much a day is just going to make him feel like hell and it CAN KILL him. That is just plain asinine to take that much. Crazy drug buprenorphine is, but "veterans" will surely agree - LESS = MORE. I know it doesn't make sense, but it's true. I wish you all the best. - Wayne

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    The link below is a new article that provides more information about Suboxone. There are two videos included in the article. One video just explains what Suboxone is and what Suboxone is supposed to be used for and the other video compares the effects of Suboxone and Methadone. The second video also explains why you never want to take Suboxone if you have Methadone in your system.

    Suboxone Substance Abuse - Suboxone Addiction

    Best Of Luck
    Autumn

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    My boyfriend has been on a very high dose of methadone for about a year and a half now. It has completely changed his personality. He is angry all the time, sleeps most of the day, can't hold a job... basically it is worse than when he was addicted to the pain medication. I am at my wits end on what to do! It is also costing us quite a bit of money because the clinic does not accept his insurance. It just seems like the "help" is causing more problems and chaos in our home than his drug addiction. The methadone was nothing more than trading one drug for another.
    My question to any one out there is, would suboxone be a better alternative than methadone? Is it possible that some people respond better or differently to suboxone or methadone than others do? My boyfriend is contemplating going inpatient to detox from the methadone and seeing a doctor about suboxone. For some reason, he feels like he needs something to stay clean, like he is unable to do it without a "substitute." I disagree with him, but I can not control what he ultimately chooses to do.
    Any thoughts or suggestions about the differences between methadone and suboxone would be great to hear! I just want the man I met back and I realize I can not save him alone- he must save himself! It is just so hard watching him go down this dark, lonely tunnel!

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      Very common problem these days.... In my opinion YES, Suboxone can help him. Most doctors that prescribe it will want to see him get his methadone use down to 20-30mg per day before putting him on any program. However...There are also doctors that will switch him to Subutex first, and then get him down to Suboxone. In my opinion get him to the doc soon. He wont be as "high" and he be able to start tapering down use of all this stuff after a while!

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    Suboxone has saved my life. I had a 15 year addiction to heroin and cocaine. Things were not looking good for me. I lost a very successful career in entertainment, and started selling drugs to survive. (Well at least the drugs that I did not already do myself). My habit made my drug business very unprofitable and dangerous for me! In the end, it was my family that saved me. They got me out of the area I was living, got me into outpatient rehab and the rest is history! I'm leading a healthy life now and my career is starting to pick back up!

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      I completely agree with you Mike. suboxone has saved my life also....from the grips of an Oxycontin binge into a woman/mother/nurse that can live happy and healthy....i truly am blessed! i feel for those that JUST use the suboxone though, because i credit my clean time to NA, AA, and my support group also....with a combination of these i am serene and free. suboxone will keep you from your drug of choice, but the PROGRAM keeps you living in peace and serenity...God bless!

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        I JUST READ YOUR COMMENT AND REALLY TOUCHES ME BECAUSE I AM TRYING TO GET OFF THE
        OXYCONTIN AND I AM A SINGLE MOTHER/NURSE AND MY WORRY IS THAT I WAS TRYING TO GET
        TO THE HOSPITAL AND THE DOCTOR SAID IN THREE DAYS I COULD BE OUT OF THERE AND CONTINUE WITH THE NA, AA...I AM VERY SCARED TO LOOSE MY CHILDREN. I LIVE WITH MY PARENTS AND THEY ARE THERE FOR THE KIDS IF I GO TO REHAB. I NEED HELP...THE DOCTOR I WENT TO SEE RATHER I GET TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A COUPLE OF DAYS....PLEASE HELP ME. WHAT SHOULD I DO, I AM AFRAID IF I GO TO THE HOSPITAL THE CHILDREN I DON'T KNOW IF THEY TAKE THEM AWAY. THE DADDY IS NOT VERY INVOLVED IN THEIR LIVES.

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          I was a nurse who had an Oxycontin addiction long before Suboxone came out. Nursing programs have "assistance programs" where u can get the help you need while getting off the drugs. You are not going to lose your kids if your family is going to be there to support you thru this. The only way you lose your kids is if someone reports you and you don't have anyone drug free to help care for them - or if your ex decides to try to take them from you. Which will be a lot harder to do if you are seeking treatment on your own vs. being forced into it thru the legal system. I wish I had all these resources back then- I had to withdrawal off of Oxy in jail - stayed clean over 5 years and have just recently wanted to try the Suboxone for the daily cravings and aches I experience. I am hopeful by all the comments I have read. Guess we will see.

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    Thank you for posting such a useful, impressive and a wicked article./Wow.. looking good!

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    This is a very interesting blog and so i like to visit your blog again and again. Keep it up.

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    Very informative without getting wordy. Nice job. Thanks for this info article it is helpful!

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    ok so I am not a user but my good friend was hooked on heroin. Got her started on suboxone with a good doctor. My friend can get into a full rehab program that will be covered by insurance instead of just seeing the doctor. it seems to me a full rehab program will give you a better chance of getting and staying clean. What do you guys think? Also is inpatient better than outpatient?

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    Hi..Glad to have found this site & the comments.I have been on suboxone for almost 6 yrs.I take 3 8mg Tabs a day.Before that I was an addict/slave to heroin & Oxy.I have a lot of pain issues.I have fibromylagia & arthritus & other health issues.At first the suboxone was a miracle drug for me.Now,since I have been on it so long it is not helping as much with my pain.I have been thinking about pain management again.I am afraid even after all of these years.However,I think I should give myself another chance though.I have been clean 6 yrs now.I have no desire to use illegal drugs anymore.I just want some pain relief like I use to get from the sub the first two years. Any suggestions?

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      I HEARD ACUPUNCTURE HELPS

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    I have a question, how long must a person wait after taking an opiate before they can begin on their suboxen medication? what is the time that must be allowed in between in order to avoid causing more severe withdrawal symptoms because of the naloxon?

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      24 hours or more if on H or opiates. 24 hours and no more than 30 mg of Methadone a day. You still will be dope sick for 2 days, but it will be minimal and bearable, mild. By third day on Suboxone will feel good. On fourth day, you'll feel "normal" (weird, actually) and the future will be yours. Good Luck !!!

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      I just took 2mg of suboxen the day after I did herion. I have also researched this question. Depending on the withdrawals you should wait until your are in complete withdrawal. As long as you can wait helps your body take to the Subs better. Honestly i will probably take another 2mg or more later in the day. I definitely feel a lot better it has only been 20 hrs since last used. To be sure you should wait at least 24 hrs, everybody is different. Start with a low dose and possibly take more if needed through the day if your body takes to it well.

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    Heroin, pills (prescribed), been there done that. Methadone, Suboxone, been there done that, too. I am actually on Suboxone 12 mg a day since getting off of Dilaudid and Methadone for past 6 months (morphine before that). Planning on detoxing off of this Suboxone starting next week (it's been a month). Basically, Suboxone is least of all evils in the drug world. I have some back problems, but being sedated on prescription drugs is not much of a life. You just can't have both. If your pains are minimal (or non-existent) it's a better trade off having a clear head and a "normal" directed life. For those that can't afford Suboxone that is BS. If I could have paid $7.00 a day plus a monthly doctor visit for Heroin, there would be no conversation now. It's just about choices. And it does get better... MUCH better. It just can't happen in a day. Getting clean, then detoxing off of Suboxone. I've lived the madness for 5 years, spent last year doing it legally and now I finally realize that sometimes pain is good. It let's you know that you are alive. Good luck and hoped my story provided a little bit of hope. It really is all there if you want it. I'm starting a Doctoral program in two weeks. Struggled with my Masters last year because of the meds and am about to sail through this program. Couldn't have said that 5 years ago with a syringe and an endless search for a vein. I left my surroundings and STRUGGLED for a while and slipped many a time. Every day that passes makes those days appear as just a distant dream/nightmare. You'll get there when your ready and truly want it. Everything in between is just the same old BS. Again, Good Luck!!!

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    I have been on suboxone for 2 weeks the 1st week I felt great....now I can't stay awake and I'm feeling a little depressed is this normal?

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    I am currently taking about 20 30mg oxy's/day and no longer get a buzz no matter how many pills i use/take at a time....starting to wish there was something stronger that i could get my hands on and starting to wish i never started taking any oxycodone in the first place...anyone from ocala? email me plz.

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    I'm going to agree with Autumn Rose on not saying that one is better than the other. Everyone reacts differently to medication. So to each his own. The best we you can do is to do your research before you start treatment to nail down which is the better option for you. That said I'm glad to see so many comments on this post.

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    Just so you know I too was on Suboxone. Doctor here does not take insurance only cash payments. The reason I can't afford it anymore is because I am getting my life back therefore have the urge to pay things that I need to pay like for school and such. I told my doctor I wanted to get off because the medication alone is over $7 per one 8mg Suboxone. I am prescribed 4 a day. So yeah the math equals a lot of drugs in essence and plus the monthly fee of $150. Also my doctor wouldn't help me with other issues like anxiety and depression. He said I needed to see a new doctor for that cause I was just paying him for the Suboxone treatment and with 75 patients he didn't have time to treat everything else. I kind of felt like it was trading one thing for another. Although not having the craving and impulsive thoughts was best and most helpful for me I managed to wean myself off by reading a lot of useful information online. I asked my doctor and other doctors to help me but the ones who couldn't prescribe it couldn't help even though they wanted to and the doctor who did prescribe it wouldn't help because it was against his advice. Of course it was....against his advice. It is total bullshit monopoly in my town. I need help just trying to stay on the right path. everything is on the line. It didn't really help with pain management as he told me it would. I went to a new doctor after being off Suboxone. Got prescribed about 30 5mg percocets a month. I thought this was all strictly confidential as I was told when I started but when I went to fill it for the third time...without abusing it or another drugs my pharmacist had warned her I shouldn't be on percocet after seeking treatment with Suboxone. I was so pissed but bottom line....now I am in pain everyday. What do I do? IS IT STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL? OBVIOUSLY NOT? My 30 percs would last me 6-7 weeks at a time. I know the signs of a problem and I had family helping me. Any comments would be appreciated.

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    I heard there is Suboxone treatment now available locally for outpatient treatment in Spokane, WA at Lakeside Recovery Center. 3710 North Monroe. 509-328-5234 in case anyone is interested. I hear you don't have to wait as long for detox like you'd have to with Methadone. FYI

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    i have been on suboxone for 3 years and thought it was the answer but its so much stronger than reg-opiates don't start cause you wont stop the drug is making ever body who takes them worse than they ever imagine trust me

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    I'm very curious to know is someone can help me.....i have been doing percocet for yrs and the last 2 -3 yers a lot more then everyone thinks then it got expensive so I turned to methadone for the last few months. I got tired of having to take something everyday so I decided to use suboxone to help me. I did that 5 days lower my dose each day. Now I'm 2 with nothing and I feel just crappy and I have an 18 month old to run around after. My question is if I did suboxone every few days for a little pick me til I feel better would that be ok? If I did that would I ever feel better....would I pick up another addiction or will it just prolong the getting sober process? Please help asap.....going through it!

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      I hate to say it but I also have an 18 month old and it's been very hard. I think that is prolongs the process of being completely sober but its a catch 22 because it does help with cravings, energy, withdrawals and so on. I would say take an 1/8 of a 8mg and see how that is. Try to not think about it either and see what happens. Also anxiety medicine has helped me a lot being able to cope with things that would normally lead me to think about using. feel free to leave your email if you want to chat more. I know how you feel. I am kinda in the same boat just trying to go all natural and sober but then it's the cravings that you have to control. the best thing I like about Suboxone is that it controls the urges and impulses. Good luck please take care.

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        I need advice...I'm 63 and been on methadone for 30 years. A rehab group in Arizona has stated they can detox me from 150 milligrams in 30 days using Suboxone. What do you think?

        Kenny

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    My daughter took suboxone during her pregnancy. Her sweet little boy was born with a rare live disease called billiary atresia which required a liver transplant. He had the liver transplant on Jan. 17, 2011 at eight months of age. He did fine with the transplant but before leaving the hospital he contracted a deadly adenovirus that harmed his lungs. He was on an oscillator breathing machine for two months and then passed away. Losing him has just about destroyed us. I'm not saying the suboxone caused the liver problem, but I believe that studies need to be done and as quickly as possible in order to prevent any birth defects in case it might possibly cause some birth defect..

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    Can someone please tell me how i go about finding a free sub clinic, I know I need help but can not go into rehab cause i'm a single mom of three kids. I have googled it and am not pulling up much that is helping, I live in Oklahoma and have been an addict pretty much my whole life, I've done any and every drug and the hardest to get away from is pills I even find myself buying subs off the street, a day without a pill is a day where i lay in bed can't get out yell at the kids and hate the mess I've created.

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    I am looking for some kinda help i have been hooked to tramadol for 2 years now and i have been having seizures. I am embarrassed but I have 2 kids that need me and i need myself for that matter. But my body is used to having them everyday and I cant deal with the withdrawals!!!! What do I do, Where do i go??? please help me!!!!

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    Suboxone is the worst drug on the market! If you are even considering taking this drug you are out of your mind! It's ruined my marriage and it's ruined my Husband. My husband (who is 43) hurt his back at work and was prescribed Percocets and Vicodin's, Which of course, he got addicted to. Well, then in turn, the same Dr. decided to give him Suboxone. He was on it for over two years. Within that two years, he went from being happy to always being miserable, sleeping all the time, having no energy, no sex drive, couldn't move his bowels, anxiety and he lost his high paying because he snapped at his boss. Mind you my husband USE TO be the kindest man on earth. Now for the past 8 days he is coming off of Suboxone. I've been dealing with a suicidal, enraged, babbling, sweating, incoherent, shaking, unable to take care of himself who acts like he is 5 years old! I literally have to feed, bathe and dress him. This drug has destroyed our marriage and most of all has destroyed my best friend, my Husband...So all you people who think it's your "miracle drug"...You just wait until it's time to come off of it..!! You can stay on it forever....At some point you're going to have to get off of it. AND for all of this who want to get on it...DON'T!!!! It's not a miracle drug. It's a nightmare. It ruins people. TRUST ME!

    • Addict

      WHY SHOULD ANYBODY TRUST A LUNATIC WHO TYPES SO INANE COMMENT?!?!?

      I'm sorry U married an addict, in His genes those PAIN PILLS flipped a SWITCH, a gene, a part in HIS DNA that ACTIVATED HIS ADDICTION. 2 BLAME the LAST DRUG he took AS IF that was the Cause! I am sorry because I understand YOU've gone 2 a BAD Dr. 4 starters, then U THOUGHT A MIRACLE DRUG EVER EXISTED IN THE FIRST PLACE! Your logic & mind IS on the breaking point darling & U are so OUT OF TOUCH because of the role you have played supporting UR husband's Addiction & U YOURSELF are now Addicted/Afflicted as U FEEL U MUST Feed, Bathe, &, help Raise UR NEW 43yr old CHILD

      Does that sound crazy? Living with an addict means U NEEDED PROFESSIONAL HELP from Day 1 U found OUT & COLD TURKEY QUITTING ANYTHING will do this 2 ANY ONE!
      Quit EATING 4 two WEEKS & see how U FEEL. He NEEDS HELP not another Mother & sadly, Woman have this problem of thinking they can solve a Man's problem when A DOCTOR & REHAB & QUALITY & PROFESSIONAL SUPPORT GROUPS & Systems because U sound CRAZY yourself, I'm certain U FEEL that way.

      I'm SORRY U are living with AN ADDICT and he decided COLD TURKEY was HIS ANSWER although U HAVE NO CLUE WHAT YOU ARE WRITING when U have the gall to speak of 1 experience compared to if not millions, hundreds of thousands who take their prescriptions AS PRESCRIBED. Plenty of doctors abuse their power & HE didn't find a good one if he was prescribed ANY OF THIS, aside a steady suboxone dose.

      I am AMAZED how people take one event and EXPAND their OWN reality AS IF it IS ALL & EVERYONE'S REALITY & WORLD! Y WOULD ANYONE TRUST A WOMAN WHO IS FEEDING BATHING & CARING 4 a SUICIDAL, ENRAGED 5year old/ADULT

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    Regarding the above comment about suboxone (Kat): First I am a person who used to have chronic muscle pain and fatigue. I found out 1 percocet per day relieved the pain and fatigue and improved my mood (1/4 doses of a 5 mg tab 4x per day). However, I was abusing Adderall (amphetamine) because my mind was heavy, sleepy, cloudy, slow, tired etc.
    Anyway, I went to prison of the Adderall abuse for 3 years. I had no energy and weird physical things going on when I tried to jog or weight lift (which I did all my life). Coffee, jog, and Weightlifting didn't give me energy, increase my mood, desire, interest, or anything. I was stiff, with no emotions, energy or thought for the whole 3 years. When I got out, I immediately went back on percocet and adderall. Well, now 5 years later, the adderall does not give me energy, focus, direction, drive, etc. like it used to at all. The percocet does absolutely nothing. My pain is less, probably b/c I can't workout or work. However, I use the prescribed dose of adderall, but now take 4-5 percocets per day. It's because I have no mood, focus, interest, energy, and just deadness and anxiety. Jogging does nothing. I can't workout. I can't eat much. I am a shadow of myself, and I am worried about the increased opioid usage, and the absence of any physical energy, and even more so, no mental thought, energy, or mood. Horrible.

    So I am facing a long term illness (Chronic fatigue syndrome type), that I battled with exercise, coffee, adderall, and 1 percocet per day, with up/down, but tremendous results when "on". Then prison nightmare. And now 6 years of "not being alive" mentally or physically. Also now have an opiate addiction, tough I feel nothing from it. I can't address any issue, because I can never get a mood or thought in my brain to bring caring to the surface. It's a horrible life. I will/would try anything to restore any humanity and life back into me. Obviously, there is a downstream, mid-brain problem that the drugs and exercise and coffee and sugar used to stimulate. Then the drugs and exercise overstimulated this region (my theory). Then the 3 years in prison, that pathway deteriorated. A necessary pathway to joy, pleasure, motivation with connections to the frontal lobe of the brain (intelligence, focus, interest etc). NO class of antidepressant does anything. I feel different in my brain physically than all my life. Exercise, food, percocet, adderall, people do nothing to my brain. Now I must face opiate addiction and possible methadone or suboxone treatment. Yet I need my brain back, and energy and all of it. And after the negative comments of suboxone and methadone, I may be adding something that will make me feel even worse if that's possible!

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    To Steve Please...Do yourself a favor and get off your High Horse! First of all... I DID NOT MARRY AN ADDICT! He became addicted to pills AFTER I married him. You should read the facts!

    Also...Your comment you made here about Me: WHY SHOULD ANYBODY TRUST A LUNATIC WHO TYPES SO INANE COMMENT?!?!?
    Ahm, Did you mean to say "INSANE"? If you want to insult some one. You should really learn how to write a clear sentence and actually spell correctly. But, if you mean am I insane?

    Usually when a wife takes a VOW..it's for BETTER OR WORSE..UNTIL DEATH DO US PART! Maybe, I should have just left him in his time of need? Unfortunately, when I married my husband, he was NOT a drug addict! And as for me being insane? I'm the most sane person you'll ever meet.. I'm not a raging drug addict that feeds off addiction. I'm a very healthy individual. Physically and mentally. I've never even tried smoking pot in my entire life. I don't drink. I don't do drugs or alcohol to fulfill my life. I'm very happy and live my life to the fullest without having to put chemicals in my body to be happy. I think that makes me very SANE.
    I was here to explain what I was going through with my Husband, who, by the way has completely recovered 100%!! Clean from the poison called "suboxone"! He did it cold turkey and it was the scariest thing I have ever seen. YES I bathed him, dressed him, etc! But, that's what marriage is! It's called LOVE..obviously, "STEVE PLEASE" You've never come across true love! Well, besides your addiction to drugs... And, don't call me "Darling"...I'm nothing to you...
    Maybe "YOU" don't have the balls to quit "cold" turkey. But, don't take jabs at someone else that did it and is living an amazing life now because of it. So you can sit here all you want and defend your so called "miracle drug" suboxone... But, they are laughing at you all the way to the bank! DARLING!

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    I don't know who said it,,but I have noticed less SUBox is more as well. I too have been up and down the H and pill thing / methadone etc etc. I now use suboxone just to get out of house to fix my car or clean house. I stayed totally straight for 1 year,I have Hep C-and I got tired and just stayed on the couch watching TV. So an 8 mill would get me going to accomplish stuff I had to do. I always stopped after a few days so I could sleep.Plus 10 bucks a suboxone is way to steep.My problem now is I get busy and then have a few drinks,then have to take another sub next day to get rid of hangover. I jumped Methadone at 50 mills. I wasn't normal for 21 days...after six months I was sleeping finally thru the night.Subs do work great for full blown dope addiction.People have to remember Moderation in everything!!!! Its real it works! You only can get so High!!!!.....I like the girl who said "I wasn't feeling anything until I quit"......That is a real and true rule to observe!!!! clonidine is helpful as well for anxiety

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    Please help I live in Brooklyn N.Y. and am currently on a methadone program, I'm on 20mg and my program only allows me to drop 10mg at a time. I feel like hell just from going from 30-20mg. I've tried suboxone a few years ago on the street when I walked off my program on 90mg and felt great by the third day. I would sooo much rather finish my detox on suboxone. I read in one of the earlier posts that there is methadone program in Brooklyn that will administer suboxone if anyone knows which one please let me know as I've been unsuccessful trying to find it on my own. The counselors in my program are inept and of no help and although finding a doctor in my area that does prescribe it (there are fair amount) is difficult because of my health insurance, I can would have switch doctors and if for some reason the place is not right for me I would have to wait 3 months before I could change again.
    (p.s. anywhere in the 5 boroughs would be fine)
    thank you

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    listen people i need help asap someone please help me find a doc in Gulfport, MS. that will help me with my addiction before i loose everything i have.

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    My son has not been to his methadone clinic for a week. He was also taking Xanax and hasn't had any for a week. When I found him 2 days ago he was incoherent and hallucinating. I took him immediately to an ER where they said he was fine. No help. I have called doctors. They either don't take uninsured patients or they charge a months wages for an appointment. It is cheaper to remain a junky than it is to get clean. It shouldn't be this way. I'm desperate for help.

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    I have been a severe opiate addict 22yrs.got on Suboxone 3 1/2 yrs ago.all it has become to doctors is a lot of money in Pocket.called greed!when i first stared the subs I had to sign a yr contract.after 1yr off.this was small town,then moved back to Nashville.as long as u got the cash u can stay on it.Doctors don't really care bout our sobriety,all they care bout is the money.I've been off for 6wks & still one hell of a time with the withdrawal.just my opinion but probably only bout 5% of the doctors really care bout us.I've read quite few post & some very blinded people.I could say a lot but won't but I've been researching a lot since being sick.we are all of different body chemistry & each his or her own recovery time varies.if i could do it over would have never got on subs.methadone was cheaper & worked better.anyway if your not on methadone or subs please don't get on it.down time a lot shorter off other opiates.greed & $$$$ is destroying this world. One day at a time

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    I'm sorry that you are still going through horrible pain/withdrawals/insomnia I know the feeling, but to say that SUBOXONE is the devil and telling others who are looking here for help with their addiction to stay away from it is wrong. I was hooked on vikes (vicodin) first and then later moved on to Roxy's and Oxy's for most of my 20's I'm now 30. At my peak I could easily take 15-20 Oxy 80mg a day and want more, the only thing preventing me from taking more was money which eventually ran out. I tried so many times to get clean by going cold turkey or reducing the amount of painkillers I was taking but I could never handle the withdrawals and continue to function at work or any phase of life that way so I would get frustrated and relapse or go back to taking high doses. I eventually heard of SUBOXONE and went to a doctor to detox and get prescribed SUBOXONE, and it saved my life. I don't know what I would have done without it. This was the only thing that has helped me get my life back on track and helped me be able to manage my life and get control back of my life. There is no doubt in my mind that I would be dead or in jail if it wasn't for Suboxone. Before using Suboxone, I was at rock bottom, I lost my job, lost most of my friends, was having legal issues bc of my addiction, had no money, and was in debt. With Suboxone I was able to get control of my life again which is the whole point of Suboxone is control. Is Suboxone addicting, yes and it can produce withdrawals if you just stop taking it at a higher dose, but it is nowhere close to the withdrawals you experience with Oxy's or Heroin. And the most important thing to me with Suboxone is control, and it is control which separates Suboxone from Oxy and Heroin. I can control the amount of Suboxone I take and I can function normally on a daily basis, people have a tendency to think I'm not completely clean or like you said I have no idea what I'm talking about til I'm off Suboxone, but I have gone thru times where I couldn't afford Suboxone and I have went for about 3-5 weeks a couple times without any Suboxone, and did I feel like shit, yeah I def did, but I also didn't reduce the amount I was taking gradually like you are supposed to do, it was when I was taking 16mg(suboxone) a day and had no money at the time for doctor so I had no choice but to just stop, and again it was nowhere near the intensity of Oxy withdrawal and another big factor is the amount of time since you stopped taking Oxy/heroin etc.. For example if I stopped taking Oxy's and did detox and started with 16mg Suboxone on January 1 2012, if i stopped taking 16mg of Suboxone cold after only one month on Febuary 1, 2012 the withdrawal would be much more intense then if I took 16mg Suboxone for 6 months then reduced to 12mg for 4 months then stopped cold turkey. Another important thing to remember is everyone is different, some things work better for some people and not so good for others. For me, during this time taking Suboxone, I got my life back, I got a good job, I got back into the gym working out, I got my friends back, and the second most important thing is it gave me HOPE. For the first time in years I felt like I was going to be OK and that I could beat this addiction. Some people may say I'm not clean yet or I'm still addicted to something becauseI still take a small amount of Suboxone, to anyone that does say or think that about me they can go fuck themselves, because i don't care if I take Suboxone everyday for the rest of my life, If that's how I decide to go about this disease, I'm OK with that. My goal is eventually get down to nothing for good, and my advice would be to not rush this process and take as much time as you need, don't let public perception or others tell you how fast you should come off suboxone, because If you rush it I just think you're setting yourself up for failure. But doesn't that contradict the purpose of taking Suboxone to begin with, I don't think it does because of this, there's a difference between taking medicine, and abusing medicine, one you have control, one you don't have control. If I have to take 2mg of Suboxone everyday day for rest of my life for my disease, how is that any different from someone who has cancer and has to take a certain medicine everyday for rest of their life? I'll take 2mg of Suboxone any day over going back to doing 15-20 oxy 80's or having to feel like shit in pain and insomnia for rest of my life without anything.

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      I was recently pulled from 24 mil, per day. I am extremely sick, with no energy, life in general I feel dull, like I don't even exist. I wish some doctor will read this and help me out, I e recently detoxed from the 24mil, overnight with nothing but Clonadine. I feel I can't do this alone. I need help. I'm happy you feel so good about suboxone, you are taking it, just you wait until your doctor decides you should come off it, or god forbid you lose your doctor suddenly. My life sucks without my Suboxone, My doctor told me I could and probably would be on the 24mil a day for life, in fact I was only going to the recovery center once a month for some counseling and to see the doctor, they cut me off suddenly, no warning, nothing! I was told when I called my doctor that he could not help me in his other office because he is part of the treatment team at the center, I was just one day on 24mil and the next day I had to reach for the nearest detox, 5 days is not enough, I was not expecting to be sent home so early, this is the worse feeling ever, and I would not suggest after going thru this nasty withdrawal that anyone with a head on their soldier be induced into any Suboxone program ever, I'm sorry but something always happens, and one day you're the best client the agency has, a lifer, to the worst client and your suddenly off the highest dose really that should be allowed. If someone out there has a better solution like maybe the butranes patches that get stuck to you soldier once per month. If anyone out there has a better solution to my problem, please, I want to hear from you.

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    Does anyone know where I could get Suboxone treatment? I live in PA and I can't find anyone all the clinics are filled I don't know what to do...I have a friend who is on Suboxone and it changed his life he is more happy and goes to work every day...please help....email is cutegurl0703@aol.com

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    I am going to be starting the suboxone program tomorrow. Not sure about an amount or for how long, but I have been fighting this for close to ten years, hiding it from my family. I just now have gotten so bad, that I have started taken pills from people I know just to get high. Sometimes replacing the meds with something that looks similar and they would be none the wiser if they looked at it. My wife just had carpel tunnel surgery, and I took, at least half of her meds, just to get high. I feel like such a piece of shit, and have seriously thought about putting my .40 caliber ruger in my mouth and ending it all. If it wasn't for my two kids I probably would have already. I was injured a year ago in June 11, and messed my back up at work. I was put on 10/500 Lortabs, then went to 10/325 percs. The doctor cut me off completely because my MRI came back better than the original. So I have been feeding my addiction through friends, or people that have drugs. I hope that this Suboxone will help me. I feel pretty optimistic about the situation, and I really want to quit. I am glad that there are places like this to share ones, story. Thanks.

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    Are there any free suboxone clinics in Rhode Island? I have no income or insurance.

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    Please let me tell you all Suboxone may seem like the best bet ever but it is the worst thing I have ever felt I have been on it for 5 years bones ache anxiety sweats it sucks only use sub for three days only at small 2 mg a day dose than quit I wish I would have stayed at 5 bags a day and quit cause I wanted to quit but heard of this miracle drug it's not a miracle its isolation you feel dead inside I am so scared of the withdrawal everyone says it's so bad and I am terrified please DON'T USE THAT POISON Thanks for letting me give this input.

    Best Regards
    John

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    I have bad news for all of us. I have been on suboxone for 5 years. I had no idea what I was getting into. I did vicodin detox before and it was do able, Suboxone is destroying my life 1 day at a time. I am a former substance abuse specialist. Injured my back 8 years ago. I got addicted to vikes. Someone suggested the suboxone detox. I was only supposed to be on it for 3 months, it's now been 5 years and I have anxiety, super low testosterone and depression. I am so angry at the drug companies. We have been made guinea pigs while they made huge money from our tragedy. I beg anyone to stay away from subboxone, I see a major law suit coming. The doctors have no answer and I am afraid to see what's down the road for us who have fallen prey to this drug.

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      My husband and I absolutely agree with you and I do not want to "connect on Facebook". I did however - want you to know that we both have the same issues and we have gone to some very extreme, dangerous, and expensive measures in an attempt to get off of this. We are surprised there have not been any lawsuits given the impossibility of getting off of this drug or even finding medical help to do so. The film, is extremely dangerous to children and animals as once it is opened it FLIES away very easily and can stick to surfaces that no one would ever dream of - and this has happened to both of us leaving us in a state of panic about our little dog locating it simply by sniffing around with her damp nose and having it stick before we have a chance to find the flying film! Very, very - dangerous and scary.

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    I'm 63 yrs. old and have been on methadone 30 yrs. A group in Arizona said they can detox me with Suboxone in 30 days and all will be good. I'm on 130 milligrams of methadone now. It will cost me $18,000 dollars because my insurance will not cover it. Any thoughts?

    K Lloyd

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    OMG!!!! I've been reading these comments and see so many strong people. I'm scared to death. Been an addict for 15 years and have tried to quit many times. I was thinking Suboxone was the answer but now I'm not sure. I have 3 kids and a very sick husband. My addiction started after a car wreck and got severely out of hand. I can't function without my pills. I want to quit so, so bad but I'm not able to work, watch kids and take care of my husband during my withdrawals. They are horrendous. I am at my wits end. Suboxone was going to be my savior but now I don't know. I am so scared. I know I did this to myself and I disgust myself. I just want to be normal. Has Suboxone helped anyone quit? I don't want to take it forever. I just want to be a good wife and mommy without pills.

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    I've been coming off Suboxone by choice and it's about to kill me. I can't stop puking, can't eat, can't sleep and I'm really miserable. I live in a little town so the drug abuse is real bad and it's more Suboxone and pain killers than alcohol or benzos and no detox centers will take me in unless I will tell them I'm going to kill myself. I'm so tired of just existing I want to live but people that is coming off Suboxone and pain killers needs to have a safe place to be medically detoxed and in Kentucky no one wants to take you.

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